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DYC Fall Wed Series 2006

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A Fleet

Sailed:5, Discards:0, To count:5, Ratings:PHRF, Entries:1, = Scoring=20 system:ISAF Apendix A (sequential)
Rank Boat PHRF R1=20 (F)
8.2.06		 R2=20 (F)
8.9.06		 R3=20 (F)
8.16.16		 R4=20 (F)
8.23.06		 R5=20 (F)
8.30.06		 R6=20 (F)
9.6.06		 R7=20 (F)
9.13.06		 Total Nett
1st Papa Gaucho 72     1 1 1 1 1 5 5

B Fleet

Sailed:7, Discards:1, To count:6, Ratings:PHRF, Entries:4, = Scoring=20 system:ISAF Apendix A (sequential)
Rank Boat PHRF R1=20 (F)
8.2.06		 R2=20 (F)
8.9.06		 R3=20 (F)
8.16.16		 R4=20 (F)
8.23.06		 R5=20 (F)
8.30.06		 R6=20 (F)
9.6.06		 R7=20 (F)
9.13.06		 Total Nett
1st Polar Bear 102 1 (2) 1 1 1 1 1 8 6
2nd Swedish Magic 135 2 1 2 2 2 Com Boat (3) 3 15 12
3rd Indigo 120 (4) 3 4 3 2 2 4 22 18
4th Captain Cool 114 3 (4) 3 4 3 4 2 23 19

C Fleet

Sailed:7, Discards:1, To count:6, Ratings:PHRF, Entries:8, = Scoring=20 system:ISAF Apendix A (sequential)
Rank Boat PHRF R1=20 (F)
8.2.06		 R2=20 (F)
8.9.06		 R3=20 (F)
8.16.16		 R4=20 (F)
8.23.06		 R5=20 (F)
8.30.06		 R6=20 (F)
9.6.06		 R7=20 (F)
9.13.06		 Total Nett
3rd Stellar Jay 183 1 4 5 (9 DNC) 1 3 5 28 19
1st Golden Draft 177 (6) 1 2 Com Boat 1 2 4 1 17 11
2nd Insatiable 171 (3) 3 1 2 Redress 3 1 2 15 12
7th 151 171 4 (7) 6 4 4 6 7 38 31
6th Otter 147 5 2 2 3 5 (7) 6 30 23
4th Wind Walker 171 3 Com Boat 5 4 2 (6) 2 4 26 20
5th Wing It 162 2 4 Com Boat 3 5 (7) 5 3 29 22
8th Strange Crew 171 7 6 7 7 DNF (9 DNC) 8 9 DNC 53 44

D Fleet

Sailed:7, Discards:1, To count:6, Ratings:PHRF, Entries:1, = Scoring=20 system:ISAF Apendix A (sequential)
Rank Boat PHRF R1=20 (F)
8.2.06		 R2=20 (F)
8.9.06		 R3=20 (F)
8.16.16		 R4=20 (F)
8.23.06		 R5=20 (F)
8.30.06		 R6=20 (F)
9.6.06		 R7=20 (F)
9.13.06		 Total Nett
1st Scoundrel 216 (1) 1 1 1 1 1 Com Boat 1 7 6

Jib/Main Fleet

Sailed:7, Discards:1, To count:6, Ratings:PHRF, Entries:5, = Scoring=20 system:ISAF Apendix A (sequential)
Rank Boat PHRF R1=20 (F)
8.2.06		 R2=20 (F)
8.9.06		 R3=20 (F)
8.16.16		 R4=20 (F)
8.23.06		 R5=20 (F)
8.30.06		 R6=20 (F)
9.6.06		 R7=20 (F)
9.13.06		 Total Nett
2nd Riff Raff 225 (4) 2 4 2 DNF 1 3 2 18 14
1st Neverland 189 1 1 1 (6 DNC) 2 1 1 13 7
5th Taku 255 5 5 DNF 3 (6 DNC) 3 6 DNC 6 DNC 34 28
3rd Sweet Water 150 2 5 DNF (6 DNC) 1 4 4 3 25 19
4th On the Beat 204 3 5 DNF 2 (6 DNC) 6 DNC 2 4 Com Boat 28 22

R1 (F) - A Fleet

Start:Start 1, Finishes:Finish time, Time:6.10.00, = Distance:2.25nm,=20 Course:GMGM, Ave wind:Very light to 5 kts
Rank Boat PHRF Place Nett

R2 (F) - A Fleet

Start:Start 1, Finishes:Finish time, Time:6.05.00, = Distance:4.57nm,=20 Course:Red nun ABABA, Ave wind:Light
Rank Boat PHRF Place Nett

R3 (F) - A Fleet

Start:Start 3, Finishes:Finish time, Time:6.15.00, = Distance:4.8nm,=20 Course: W2 A-C-A-C-A, Wind dir:NE, Ave wind:5-10
Rank Boat PHRF Finish Elapsed Corrected BCE Nett
1 Papa Gaucho 72 7.26.38 1.11.38 1.05.52 0.00.00 1

R4 (F) - A Fleet

Start:Start 1, Finishes:Finish time, Time:6.15.00, = Distance:5.27 nm,=20 Course:A-C-A-C-A-M, Wind dir:NE, Ave wind:18-24kts
Rank Boat PHRF Finish Elapsed Corrected BCE Nett
1 Papa Gaucho 72 7.13.30 0.58.30 0.52.11 0.00.00 1

R5 (F) - A Fleet

Start:Start 3, Finishes:Finish time, Time:6.15.00, = Distance:6.67nm,=20 Course:MID-G1-G5-R2-G1-G5-R2-G1-R18-G5, Wind dir:NE, Ave wind:18-24KTS =
Rank Boat PHRF Finish Elapsed Corrected BCE Nett
1 Papa Gaucho 72 7.13.22 0.58.22 0.50.22 0.00.00 1

R6 (F) - A Fleet

Start:Start 3, Finishes:Finish time, Time:6.15.00, = Distance:4.6nm,=20 Course:A-C-A-B-A, Wind dir:NE, Ave wind:Lumpy 5-10kts
Rank Boat PHRF Finish Elapsed Corrected BCE Nett
1 Papa Gaucho 72 7.22.46 1.07.46 1.02.15 0.00.00 1

R7 (F) - A Fleet

Start:Start 3, Finishes:Finish time, Time:6.15.00, = Distance:1.46nm,=20 Course:G-M-G, Wind dir:N, Ave wind:0-5kts
Rank Boat PHRF Finish Elapsed Corrected BCE Nett
1 Papa Gaucho 72 7.20.24 1.05.24 1.03.39 0.00.00 1

R1 (F) - B Fleet

Start:Start 1, Finishes:Finish time, Time:6.10.00, = Distance:2.25nm,=20 Course:GMGM, Ave wind:Very light to 5 kts
Rank Boat PHRF Finish Elapsed Corrected BCE Nett
1 Polar Bear 102 7.07.03 0.57.03 0.53.14 0.00.00 1
2 Swedish Magic 135 7.12.35 1.02.35 0.57.31 0.04.18 2
4 Indigo 120 7.15.40 1.05.40 1.01.10 0.07.56 4
3 Captain Cool 114 7.12.40 1.02.40 0.58.24 0.05.10 3

R2 (F) - B Fleet

Start:Start 1, Finishes:Finish time, Time:6.05.00, = Distance:4.57nm,=20 Course:Red nun ABABA, Ave wind:Light
Rank Boat PHRF Finish Elapsed Corrected BCE Nett
2 Polar Bear 102 7.41.06 1.36.06 1.28.20 0.00.55 2
1 Swedish Magic 135 7.42.42 1.37.42 1.27.25 0.00.00 1
3 Indigo 120 7.45.50 1.40.50 1.31.42 0.04.17 3
4 Captain Cool 114 7.46.16 1.41.16 1.32.35 0.05.10 4

R3 (F) - B Fleet

Start:Start 3, Finishes:Finish time, Time:6.15.00, = Distance:4.8nm,=20 Course: W2 A-C-A-C-A, Wind dir:NE, Ave wind:5-10
Rank Boat PHRF Finish Elapsed Corrected BCE Nett
1 Polar Bear 102 7.25.04 1.10.04 1.01.54 0.00.00 1
2 Swedish Magic 135 7.33.01 1.18.01 1.07.13 0.05.19 2
4 Indigo 120 7.33.03 1.18.03 1.08.27 0.06.33 4
3 Captain Cool 114 7.31.38 1.16.38 1.07.31 0.05.36 3

R4 (F) - B Fleet

Start:Start 1, Finishes:Finish time, Time:6.15.00, = Distance:5.27 nm,=20 Course:A-C-A-C-A-M, Wind dir:NE, Ave wind:18-24kts
Rank Boat PHRF Finish Elapsed Corrected BCE Nett
1 Polar Bear 102 7.15.43 1.00.43 0.51.45 0.00.00 1
2 Swedish Magic 135 7.21.00 1.06.00 0.54.09 0.02.23 2
3 Indigo 120 7.20.46 1.05.46 0.55.14 0.03.28 3
4 Captain Cool 114 7.23.13 1.08.13 0.58.12 0.06.27 4

R5 (F) - B Fleet

Start:Start 3, Finishes:Finish time, Time:6.15.00, = Distance:6.67nm,=20 Course:MID-G1-G5-R2-G1-G5-R2-G1-R18-G5, Wind dir:NE, Ave wind:18-24KTS =
Rank Boat PHRF Finish Elapsed Corrected BCE Nett
1 Polar Bear 102 7.15.39 1.00.39 0.49.19 0.00.00 1
2 Swedish Magic 135   Com Boat     2
2 Indigo 120 7.20.07 1.05.07 0.51.47 0.02.28 2
4 Captain Cool 114 7.19.44 1.04.44 0.52.04 0.02.45 3

R6 (F) - B Fleet

Start:Start 3, Finishes:Finish time, Time:6.15.00, = Distance:4.6nm,=20 Course:A-C-A-B-A, Wind dir:NE, Ave wind:Lumpy 5-10kts
Rank Boat PHRF Finish Elapsed Corrected BCE Nett
1 Polar Bear 102 7.27.03 1.12.03 1.04.14 0.00.00 1
3 Swedish Magic 135 7.30.42 1.15.42 1.05.21 0.01.07 3
2 Indigo 120 7.29.08 1.14.08 1.04.56 0.00.42 2
4 Captain Cool 114 7.35.29 1.20.29 1.11.45 0.07.31 4

R7 (F) - B Fleet

Start:Start 3, Finishes:Finish time, Time:6.15.00, = Distance:1.46nm,=20 Course:G-M-G, Wind dir:N, Ave wind:0-5kts
Rank Boat PHRF Finish Elapsed Corrected BCE Nett
1 Polar Bear 102 7.28.22 1.13.22 1.10.53 0.00.00 1
3 Swedish Magic 135 7.30.04 1.15.04 1.11.47 0.00.54 3
4 Indigo 120 7.29.50 1.14.50 1.11.55 0.01.02 4
2 Captain Cool 114 7.28.46 1.13.46 1.11.00 0.00.06 2

R1 (F) - C Fleet

Start:Start 2, Finishes:Finish time, Time:6.05.00, = Distance:2.25nm,=20 Course:GMGM, Ave wind:Very light to 5 kts
Rank Boat PHRF Finish Elapsed Corrected BCE Nett
1 Stellar Jay 183 7.11.03 1.06.03 0.59.11 0.00.00 1
7 Golden Draft 177 7.20.19 1.15.19 1.08.41 0.09.29 6
3 Insatiable 171 7.13.12 1.08.12 1.01.47 0.02.36 3
5 151 171 7.15.00 1.10.00 1.03.35 0.04.24 4
6 Otter 147 7.14.46 1.09.46 1.04.15 0.05.04 5
3 Wind Walker 171   Com Boat     3
2 Wing It 162 7.11.33 1.06.33 1.00.29 0.01.17 2
8 Strange Crew 171 7.28.56 1.23.56 1.17.31 0.18.20 7

R2 (F) - C Fleet

Start:Start 2, Finishes:Finish time, Time:6.05.00, = Distance:4.57,=20 Course:Red nun ABABA, Ave wind:Light
Rank Boat PHRF Finish Elapsed Corrected BCE Nett
4 Stellar Jay 183 7.40.57 1.35.57 1.22.01 0.09.27 4
1 Golden Draft 177 7.31.03 1.26.03 1.12.34 0.00.00 1
3 Insatiable 171 7.36.56 1.31.56 1.18.55 0.06.20 3
8 151 171 7.56.31 1.51.31 1.38.30 0.25.55 7
2 Otter 147 7.33.04 1.28.04 1.16.52 0.04.18 2
6 Wind Walker 171 7.45.53 1.40.53 1.27.52 0.15.17 5
4 Wing It 162   Com Boat     4
7 Strange Crew 171 7.49.14 1.44.14 1.31.13 0.18.38 6

R3 (F) - C Fleet

Start:Start 2, Finishes:Finish time, Time:6.10.00, = Distance:4.4nm,=20 Course: W2 A-B-A-B-A, Wind dir:NE, Ave wind:5-10
Rank Boat PHRF Finish Elapsed Corrected BCE Nett
6 Stellar Jay 183 7.19.05 1.09.05 0.55.40 0.02.42 5
2 Golden Draft 177   Com Boat     2
1 Insatiable 171 7.15.30 1.05.30 0.52.58 0.00.00 1
7 151 171 7.22.59 1.12.59 1.00.27 0.07.29 6
2 Otter 147 7.15.04 1.05.04 0.54.17 0.01.20 2
5 Wind Walker 171 7.18.04 1.08.04 0.55.32 0.02.34 4
4 Wing It 162 7.17.09 1.07.09 0.55.16 0.02.19 3
8 Strange Crew 171 7.24.00 1.14.00 1.01.28 0.08.30 7

R4 (F) - C Fleet

Start:Start 2, Finishes:Finish time, Time:6.10.00, = Distance:4.87 nm,=20 Course:A-B-A-B-A-M, Wind dir:NE, Ave wind:18-24kts
Rank Boat PHRF Finish Elapsed Corrected BCE Nett
1 Golden Draft 177 7.06.08 0.56.08 0.41.46 0.55.39 1
2 Insatiable 171   Redress 0.00.00 0.00.00 2
5 151 171 7.10.46 1.00.46 0.46.53 1.00.46 4
4 Otter 147 7.05.50 0.55.50 0.43.54 0.57.47 3
2 Wind Walker 171 7.05.51 0.55.51 0.41.58 0.55.51 2
6 Wing It 162 7.13.34 1.03.34 0.50.25 1.04.18 5
7 Strange Crew 171   DNF     7

R5 (F) - C Fleet

Start:Start 2, Finishes:Finish time, Time:6.10.00, = Distance:6.67nm,=20 Course:MID-G1-G5-R2-G1-G5-R2-G1-R18-G5, Wind dir:NE, Ave wind:18-24KTS =
Rank Boat PHRF Finish Elapsed Corrected BCE Nett
1 Stellar Jay 183 7.19.58 1.09.58 0.49.37 0.00.00 1
2 Golden Draft 177 7.19.41 1.09.41 0.50.00 0.00.23 2
3 Insatiable 171 7.19.02 1.09.02 0.50.01 0.00.24 3
4 151 171 7.20.10 1.10.10 0.51.09 0.01.32 4
5 Otter 147 7.19.29 1.09.29 0.53.09 0.03.31 5
6 Wind Walker 171 7.23.33 1.13.33 0.54.32 0.04.55 6
7 Wing It 162 7.25.42 1.15.42 0.57.41 0.08.04 7

R6 (F) - C Fleet

Start:Start 2, Finishes:Finish time, Time:6.10.00, = Distance:4.4nm,=20 Course:A-B-A-B-A, Wind dir:NE, Ave wind:Lumpy 5-10kts
Rank Boat PHRF Finish Elapsed Corrected BCE Nett
3 Stellar Jay 183 7.16.37 1.06.37 0.53.12 0.01.13 3
4 Golden Draft 177 7.16.12 1.06.12 0.53.13 0.01.15 4
1 Insatiable 171 7.14.31 1.04.31 0.51.59 0.00.00 1
6 151 171 7.21.29 1.11.29 0.58.57 0.06.58 6
7 Otter 147 7.21.02 1.11.02 1.00.15 0.08.17 7
2 Wind Walker 171 7.15.37 1.05.37 0.53.05 0.01.06 2
5 Wing It 162 7.19.33 1.09.33 0.57.40 0.05.42 5
8 Strange Crew 171 7.31.04 1.21.04 1.08.32 0.16.33 8

R7 (F) - C Fleet

Start:Start 2, Finishes:Finish time, Time:6.10.00, = Distance:1.46nm,=20 Course:G-M-G, Wind dir:N, Ave wind:0-5kts
Rank Boat PHRF Finish Elapsed Corrected BCE Nett
5 Stellar Jay 183 7.30.50 1.20.50 1.16.23 0.05.11 5
1 Golden Draft 177 7.25.30 1.15.30 1.11.12 0.00.00 1
2 Insatiable 171 7.27.19 1.17.19 1.13.09 0.01.58 2
7 151 171 7.31.24 1.21.24 1.17.14 0.06.03 7
6 Otter 147 7.30.37 1.20.37 1.17.02 0.05.51 6
4 Wind Walker 171 7.30.14 1.20.14 1.16.04 0.04.53 4
3 Wing It 162 7.27.07 1.17.07 1.13.10 0.01.59 3

R1 (F) - D Fleet

Start:Start 2, Finishes:Finish time, Time:6.05.00, = Distance:2.25nm,=20 Course:GMGM, Ave wind:Very light to 5 kts
Rank Boat PHRF Finish Elapsed Corrected BCE Nett
1 Scoundrel 216 7.29.13 1.24.13 1.16.07 0.00.00 1

R2 (F) - D Fleet

Start:Start 2, Finishes:Finish time, Time:6.05.00, = Distance:4.57,=20 Course:Red nun ABABA, Ave wind:Light
Rank Boat PHRF Finish Elapsed Corrected BCE Nett
1 Scoundrel 216 7.41.01 1.36.01 1.19.34 0.00.00 1

R3 (F) - D Fleet

Start:Start 2, Finishes:Finish time, Time:6.10.00, = Distance:4.4nm,=20 Course: W2 A-B-A-B-A, Wind dir:NE, Ave wind:5-10
Rank Boat PHRF Finish Elapsed Corrected BCE Nett
1 Scoundrel 216 7.20.39 1.10.39 0.54.49 0.00.00 1

R4 (F) - D Fleet

Start:Start 2, Finishes:Finish time, Time:6.10.00, = Distance:4.87 nm,=20 Course:A-B-A-B-A-M, Wind dir:NE, Ave wind:18-24kts
Rank Boat PHRF Finish Elapsed Corrected BCE Nett
1 Scoundrel 216 7.14.41 1.04.41 0.47.09 0.00.00 1

R5 (F) - D Fleet

Start:Start 2, Finishes:Finish time, Time:6.10.00, = Distance:6.67nm,=20 Course:MID-G1-G5-R2-G1-G5-R2-G1-R18-G5, Wind dir:NE, Ave wind:18-24KTS =
Rank Boat PHRF Finish Elapsed Corrected BCE Nett
1 Scoundrel 216 7.25.58 1.15.58 0.51.57 0.00.00 1

R6 (F) - D Fleet

Start:Start 2, Finishes:Finish time, Time:6.10.00, = Distance:4.4nm,=20 Course:A-B-A-B-A, Wind dir:NE, Ave wind:Lumpy 5-10kts
Rank Boat PHRF Place Nett
1 Scoundrel 216 Com Boat 1

R7 (F) - D Fleet

Start:Start 2, Finishes:Finish time, Time:6.10.00, = Distance:1.46nm,=20 Course:G-M-G, Wind dir:N, Ave wind:0-5kts
Rank Boat PHRF Finish Elapsed Corrected BCE Nett
1 Scoundrel 216 7.30.11 1.20.11 1.14.56 0.00.00 1

R1 (F) - Jib/Main Fleet

Start:Start 2, Finishes:Finish time, Time:6.05.00, = Distance:2.25nm,=20 Course:GMGM, Ave wind:Very light to 5 kts
Rank Boat PHRF Finish Elapsed Corrected BCE Nett
4 Riff Raff 225 7.37.35 1.32.35 1.24.09 0.11.08 4
1 Neverland 189 7.25.06 1.20.06 1.13.01 0.00.00 1
5 Taku 255 7.41.42 1.36.42 1.27.08 0.14.07 5
2 Sweet Water 150 7.25.21 1.20.21 1.14.44 0.01.43 2
3 On the Beat 204 7.28.26 1.23.26 1.15.47 0.02.46 3

R2 (F) - Jib/Main Fleet

Start:Start 2, Finishes:Finish time, Time:6.05.00, = Distance:4.57,=20 Course:Red nun ABABA, Ave wind:Light
Rank Boat PHRF Finish Elapsed Corrected BCE Nett
2 Riff Raff 225 8.03.50 1.58.50 1.41.42 0.06.07 2
1 Neverland 189 7.54.58 1.49.58 1.35.34 0.00.00 1
3 Taku 255   DNF     5
3 Sweet Water 150   DNF     5
3 On the Beat 204   DNF     5

R3 (F) - Jib/Main Fleet

Start:Start 1, Finishes:Finish time, Time:6.05.00, = Distance:2.4nm,=20 Course: W1 A-C-A, Wind dir:NE, Ave wind:5-10
Rank Boat PHRF Finish Elapsed Corrected BCE Nett
4 Riff Raff 225 7.03.20 0.58.20 0.49.20 0.05.30 4
1 Neverland 189 6.56.24 0.51.24 0.43.50 0.00.00 1
3 Taku 255 7.01.42 0.56.42 0.46.30 0.02.40 3
2 On the Beat 204 6.57.49 0.52.49 0.44.39 0.00.49 2

R4 (F) - Jib/Main Fleet

Start:Start 3, Finishes:Finish time, Time:6.05.00, = Distance:4.87 nm,=20 Course:A-B-A-B-A-M, Wind dir:NE, Ave wind:18-24kts
Rank Boat PHRF Finish Elapsed Corrected BCE Nett
2 Riff Raff 225   DNF     2
1 Sweet Water 150 7.11.52 1.06.52 0.54.42 0.00.00 1

R5 (F) - Jib/Main Fleet

Start:Start 1, Finishes:Finish time, Time:6.05.00, = Distance:6.67nm,=20 Course:MID-G1-G5-R2-G1-G5-R2-G1-R18-G5, Wind dir:NE, Ave wind:18-24KTS =
Rank Boat PHRF Finish Elapsed Corrected BCE Nett
1 Riff Raff 225 7.22.36 1.17.36 0.52.35 0.00.00 1
2 Neverland 189 7.19.10 1.14.10 0.53.09 0.00.34 2
3 Taku 255 7.30.16 1.25.16 0.56.55 0.04.20 3
4 Sweet Water 150 7.28.03 1.23.03 1.06.23 0.13.47 4

R6 (F) - Jib/Main Fleet

Start:Start 1, Finishes:Finish time, Time:6.05.00, = Distance:2.4nm,=20 Course:A-C-A, Wind dir:NE, Ave wind:Lumpy 5-10kts
Rank Boat PHRF Finish Elapsed Corrected BCE Nett
3 Riff Raff 225 7.03.27 0.58.27 0.49.27 0.05.47 3
1 Neverland 189 6.56.14 0.51.14 0.43.40 0.00.00 1
4 Sweet Water 150 7.06.46 1.01.46 0.55.46 0.12.06 4
2 On the Beat 204 6.59.42 0.54.42 0.46.32 0.02.52 2

R7 (F) - Jib/Main Fleet

Start:Start 1, Finishes:Finish time, Time:6.05.00, = Distance:1.46,=20 Course:G-M-G, Wind dir:N, Ave wind:0-5kts
Rank Boat PHRF Finish Elapsed Corrected BCE Nett
2 Riff Raff 225 7.35.46 1.30.46 1.25.18 0.04.25 2
1 Neverland 189 7.30.28 1.25.28 1.20.52 0.00.00 1
3 Sweet Water 150 7.37.04 1.32.04 1.28.25 0.07.33 3
4 On the Beat 204   Com Boat     4

Scoring codes used

Code Description Points
Com Boat Average points for all races that are not discarded Varies
DNC Did not come to the starting area Varies
DNF Started but did not finish Varies
Redress Redress points set by protest committee average points for all = races=20 that are not discarded 2

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